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Post: #16
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Hi,

I find it..


I put on my server for those who search the SDK March 2008..

I test after download.

regards
11-20-2008 11:29 PM
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Post: #17
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It seems that Microsoft has removed 2008 March SDK from their website
I'll update the engine soon to be based on the latest SDK, but if you've found the March version, I'm curious if it'll work.
Thanks
11-20-2008 11:37 PM
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Post: #18
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Hi,

It's the same time (very long) with *.lib of SDK March 2008...

http://www.wormhole-the-game.com/dxsdk_march2008.exe

Only the Sample with No_FX work normaly

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Christophe
11-21-2008 04:57 AM
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Post: #19
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Esenthel Wrote:After you've confirmed that DirectX SDK March 2008 is installed please check this test
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.esenthel.com/download/Test.rar">http://www.esenthel.com/download/Test.rar</a><!-- m -->
it contains the old shader loading, and new shader loading,
both exit showing time needed to load graphics, please post both results.
On my system its 1.2 seconds


For the 2 exe, "Error, 34.xxx Sec"

[Image: Error.jpg]

regards
11-21-2008 10:00 AM
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Post: #20
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Thanks, I'll try to think of some solution, it's weird that it takes so long, for most of computers its about 1-5 seconds.
Have you changed something in your system?
-windows services
-windows tweaks
-programs running in the background
-something like folding @ home may eat your cpu
-anitiviruses, spyware
-any other thing that may affect your systems performance?
-do you have all windows updates

EDIT:
-do you have retail versions of DirectX runtime (this is different than DirectX SDK) from here <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=886ACB56-C91A-4A8E-8BB8-9F20F1244A8E&displaylang=en">http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en</a><!-- m -->
-do you have retail versions of Graphics Driver <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/radeonx-xp">http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catal ... radeonx-xp</a><!-- m -->
11-21-2008 11:50 AM
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Post: #21
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I've edited my previous post
11-21-2008 11:58 AM
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Post: #22
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Esenthel Wrote:Thanks, I'll try to think of some solution, it's weird that it takes so long, for most of computers its about 1-5 seconds.
Have you changed something in your system?
-windows services
-windows tweaks
-programs running in the background
-something like folding @ home may eat your cpu
-anitiviruses, spyware
-any other thing that may affect your systems performance?
-do you have all windows updates

EDIT:
-do you have retail versions of DirectX runtime (this is different than DirectX SDK) from here <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=886ACB56-C91A-4A8E-8BB8-9F20F1244A8E&displaylang=en">http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en</a><!-- m -->
-do you have retail versions of Graphics Driver <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/radeonx-xp">http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catal ... radeonx-xp</a><!-- m -->

Hi,

I have re-install a New Windows XP SP3 (Clean Original) on Blank Hard disk.
Only :
DirectX SDK March 2008
Microsoft Visual Studio 2008.

Before BLOOM Demo

[Image: Before_Bloom_Demo.jpg]

Inside BLOOM Demo

[Image: In_bloom_Demo.jpg]

regards
11-21-2008 12:11 PM
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Post: #23
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What about the graphics drivers that I've mentioned in the previous post? Do you have the latest installed?

Is your windows theme is windows xp default theme (I don't know for service pack 3 but for earlier versions I don't recall it to be windows' default), or have you installed some 3rd party software?
11-21-2008 12:19 PM
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Post: #24
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Esenthel Wrote:EDIT:
-do you have retail versions of DirectX runtime (this is different than DirectX SDK) from here <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=886ACB56-C91A-4A8E-8BB8-9F20F1244A8E&displaylang=en">http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en</a><!-- m -->
-do you have retail versions of Graphics Driver <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=xp/radeonx-xp">http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catal ... radeonx-xp</a><!-- m -->


I have already the Catalist 8.11..

I have install this DirectX Runtime.
-- After reboot --
It's the same problem.

I am confident we will find the problem.

Above all we are about to adopt your 3D engine.

Can you try this.
http://www.wormhole-the-game.com/Bloom.exe
It's compile with original source code.

regards
Christophe
11-21-2008 12:26 PM
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Post: #25
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At my system Bloom.exe starts in 2 seconds.

About the windows theme thing, if it's not windows' default theme there is a slight possibility that it may affect shader loading time.

You could try disabling this theme, but uninstalling it, and restoring all previous dll's if they were changed would be better.

I remember I used once UX Theme multipatcher or something likely called which had replaced system dll's.
11-21-2008 12:40 PM
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Post: #26
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Hi,

Same probleme with Theme Disabled.

http://www.wormhole-the-game.com/DxDiag.txt

Can start "dxdiag" in dos shell, compare it with this rapport.

Sorry for the disagrement.

regards
11-21-2008 01:05 PM
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Post: #27
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this line seems interesting in your dxdiag.txt

Code:
DirectX Files Tab: The file d3d9d.dll is a debug version, which will run slower than the retail version.

this line isn't present in my version.

I'll read your file further, but it seems you have some debug version DirectX installed, instead of retail.
11-21-2008 01:10 PM
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Post: #28
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you might want to check this thread on microsoft forum
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11-21-2008 01:16 PM
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Post: #29
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Have you tried DirectX SDK control Panel mentioned in the topic in previous post?
Changing Debug/Retail D3D9 Runtime?

If it won't help, please uninstall any DirectX Runtime, DirectX Developer Runtime.
And make a clean install of DirectX End-User Runtime 2008 November <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=886ACB56-C91A-4A8E-8BB8-9F20F1244A8E&displaylang=en">http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en</a><!-- m -->
11-21-2008 03:21 PM
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Post: #30
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Esenthel Wrote:Have you tried DirectX SDK control Panel mentioned in the topic in previous post?
Changing Debug/Retail D3D9 Runtime?

If it won't help, please uninstall any DirectX Runtime, DirectX Developer Runtime.
And make a clean install of DirectX End-User Runtime 2008 November <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=886ACB56-C91A-4A8E-8BB8-9F20F1244A8E&displaylang=en">http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta ... laylang=en</a><!-- m -->


Hi,

this day, I have re-install my Windows XP SP3 from my original disk..no custom
Installed :
Visual Studio 2008
DirectX SDK March 2008
DirectX Runtime Nov 2008
Catalist ATI 8.11 (the lastest)

And it's same problem, very long 35-40 sec for start Bloom.exe

Regards
11-22-2008 01:39 AM
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