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Hirogens Offline
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Post: #1
Interresting By Engine
Hi,

we are Interresting your 3D Engine.

I have downloaded the version on web site.

but when I launch the example it's very slow for start...

It's Normal ?

Regards
Christophe (from france)
11-20-2008 04:34 AM
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Esenthel Offline
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Re: Interresting By Engine
Hello,

Thank you for your interest in Esenthel Engine,

Could you tell me what exactly tutorial are you running, and what video card do you have?
If you haven't updated your video cards driver a long time you could try to do that.
Is the slow time occurs at the tutorial start, or when the tutorial is running?

Thanks,
Grzegorz
11-20-2008 07:41 AM
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Esenthel Wrote:Hello,

Thank you for your interest in Esenthel Engine,

Could you tell me what exactly tutorial are you running, and what video card do you have?
If you haven't updated your video cards driver a long time you could try to do that.
Is the slow time occurs at the tutorial start, or when the tutorial is running?

Thanks,
Grzegorz

Hi,

All demos are OK, work perfectly.

"Is the slow time occurs at the tutorial start" the running is ok.

But when I type F5 (Visual Studio), the demo is very very long for start.

Very difficult for debug...

I Have SAPPHIRE ULTIMATE HD 3850 512MB GDDR3 PCI-E. (with last driver)
Pc = AMD 4200+, 4Go RAM.
XP SP3 original.

regards
Christophe
11-20-2008 07:26 PM
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Esenthel Offline
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Post: #4
Re: Interresting By Engine
Thank you for your reply,

How much seconds approximately passes until the tutorials start?

Could you try running with Ctrl+F5 instead of F5, and tell me how's the comparison of those 2 methods?

Thank you
11-20-2008 07:29 PM
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Re: Interresting By Engine
Esenthel Wrote:Thank you for your reply,

How much seconds approximately passes until the tutorials start?

Could you try running with Ctrl+F5 instead of F5, and tell me how's the comparison of those 2 methods?

Thank you

No problem I test now
11-20-2008 07:35 PM
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Post: #6
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Hi,


F5 or CTRL F5 is same 40-50 sec....

Regards...
11-20-2008 07:46 PM
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Re: Interresting By Engine
Thanks,

I presume it's DirectX's fault for loading shaders that long

1. Does the tutorials start faster when double clicking on the .exe, instead of F5 method?

2. Does the first tutorials in root folder which have "APP_NO_FX" flag in the code start faster?
11-20-2008 07:55 PM
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Esenthel Wrote:Thanks,

I presume it's DirectX's fault for loading shaders that long in Visual Studio Environment (there are hell of a lot shaders in the engine)

1. Does the tutorials start faster when double clicking on the .exe, instead of F5 method?

2. Does the first tutorials in root folder which have "APP_NO_FX" flag in the code start faster?


Hi,
(and double clicking on the .exe is long too)

yes with APP_NO_FX it's fast.

!!??

regards
11-20-2008 08:10 PM
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Re: Interresting By Engine
Thanks,

Yes this is exactly the case I was mentioning earlier, on systems DirectX loads shaders very long for unknown reasons. For example on my system it takes 2-3 seconds, on some other it takes 5 seconds an average. Do you have maybe some programs running in the background?

APP_NO_FX disables loading of advanced shaders, so only a small number of them is loaded, so it works faster.

I've got 2 ideas about it:

-In an hour or so I'll upload a beta version which forces DirectX to handle data instead of the Graphics Driver, I don't know if it'll help but it's worth trying

-The second idea is to decrease number of shaders, this will take some more time and will complicate the engine's internal shader handling

I'll try with the first idea, when the Beta will be ready I'll post here
Thank you for your cooperation
11-20-2008 08:24 PM
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Post: #10
Re: Interresting By Engine
I'm building the beta right now, but In the meantime I wanted to ask you one question,

Which DirectX SDK version have you downloaded?

DirectX SDK which should be installed is March 2008, is it your version?
11-20-2008 08:39 PM
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Post: #11
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Aout 2007...I donwload an install March 2008 no problem...

After, I have somes questions about your engine.

regards.
11-20-2008 08:40 PM
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Post: #12
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Hi,

I can fin only DirectX SDK - (June 2008)

It's OK ?
11-20-2008 08:47 PM
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Hello, I'm not sure,

so do you have March 2008 or June 2008?

Engine uses March 2008, if you have some other version installed please install March 2008 as in Esenthel Engines instructions.
11-20-2008 09:03 PM
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Post: #14
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After you've confirmed that DirectX SDK March 2008 is installed please check this test
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.esenthel.com/download/Test.rar">http://www.esenthel.com/download/Test.rar</a><!-- m -->
it contains the old shader loading, and new shader loading,
both exit showing time needed to load graphics, please post both results.
On my system its 1.2 seconds
11-20-2008 09:41 PM
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Hi,

I can found the SDK march 2008 only june

can you give a link ?

regards
11-20-2008 11:07 PM
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